Difference between revisions of "Transnegation Roundup/2020/08/03"

From CWRE
Jump to navigation Jump to search
(Created page with "{| align=right border=1 |- | Some rich sources: * [https://twitter.com/DykeRojas/ @DykeRojas] * [https://twitter.com/Femflam1/ @Femflam1] * [https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft...")
 
Line 1: Line 1:
{| align=right border=1
 
|-
 
| Some rich sources:
 
* [https://twitter.com/DykeRojas/ @DykeRojas]
 
* [https://twitter.com/Femflam1/ @Femflam1]
 
* [https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/ @wendycockcroft]
 
|}
 
 
==8/3 (Monday)==
 
==8/3 (Monday)==
 
===Wokeness is the enemy now?===
 
===Wokeness is the enemy now?===
Line 11: Line 4:
 
[[File:EefOl5DXkAA1TU-.png]]
 
[[File:EefOl5DXkAA1TU-.png]]
  
I ''think'' the argument here is that because "woke" people aren't willing to throw trans people under the bus by agreeing with... whatever it is that gender-critical activists want (more gatekeeping around transition?), they're endandering women because more cis men will pretend to be women in order to get into women's spaces and perve on them.
+
I ''think'' the argument here is that because "woke" people aren't willing to throw trans people under the bus by agreeing with... whatever it is that gender-critical activists want (more gatekeeping around transition?), they're endangering (cis) women because more cis men will pretend to be women in order to get into women's spaces and perve on them.
  
 
This never actually happens, though... except the occasional "conservative" trying (and failing) to prove how terrible it would be if that ''did'' happen.
 
This never actually happens, though... except the occasional "conservative" trying (and failing) to prove how terrible it would be if that ''did'' happen.
 
===Misrepresentation===
 
===Misrepresentation===
'''[https://twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1290191109910482944 03:41 @ripx4nutmeg]''' "Some gender identity campaigners, including a former Lib Dem councillor, are saying they will not fill out the UK quarantine form to stop the spread of coronavirus when they return from their foreign holiday, as the form is 'transphobic'"
+
'''[https://twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1290191109910482944 03:41 @ripx4nutmeg]''' {{q/inline|Some gender identity campaigners, including a former Lib Dem councillor, are saying they will not fill out the UK quarantine form to stop the spread of coronavirus when they return from their foreign holiday, as the form is 'transphobic'}}
 
* None of the tweets shown said this, nor do any others in [https://twitter.com/GoatSarah/status/1289942708694351873 the thread] (which was not linked).
 
* None of the tweets shown said this, nor do any others in [https://twitter.com/GoatSarah/status/1289942708694351873 the thread] (which was not linked).
 
* Other tweets in the discussion indicate strong support for pandemic safety measures.
 
* Other tweets in the discussion indicate strong support for pandemic safety measures.
Line 22: Line 15:
 
This misrepresentation has the effect of making trans people & allies look unreasonable.
 
This misrepresentation has the effect of making trans people & allies look unreasonable.
  
A [https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/1290202578089914368 reshare] with the comment "This is nuts" was followed by a self-reply blaming Queer Theory:
+
A [https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/1290202578089914368 reshare] with the comment {{q/inline|This is nuts}} was followed by a self-reply blaming Queer Theory:
  
'''[https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/1290208260587307008 06:49 @wendycockcroft]''' "This is why: Queer theory, the bastard spawn of Postmodernism, thinks normality itself *is* oppression. It won't accept normality and views anything or anyone who is normal, including LGBT persons, as oppressors. It's why they bash transsexuals.", with a screenshot excerpted from [https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-queer-theory/ "Queer Theory"] on ''New Discourses''
+
'''[https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/1290208260587307008 06:49 @wendycockcroft]''' {{q/inline|This is why: Queer theory, the bastard spawn of Postmodernism, thinks normality itself *is* oppression. It won't accept normality and views anything or anyone who is normal, including LGBT persons, as oppressors. It's why they bash transsexuals.}}, with a screenshot excerpted from [https://newdiscourses.com/tftw-queer-theory/ "Queer Theory"] on ''New Discourses''
  
 
Nobody is saying it's not ok to be "normal"; we're just saying "don't bludgeon us with it" -- because the [[issuepedia:Normal/ambiguity|ambiguity]] of the term is often used as a way to condemn behavior that makes them uncomfortable without having to [[issuepedia:burden of proof|demonstrate]] why it's problematic.
 
Nobody is saying it's not ok to be "normal"; we're just saying "don't bludgeon us with it" -- because the [[issuepedia:Normal/ambiguity|ambiguity]] of the term is often used as a way to condemn behavior that makes them uncomfortable without having to [[issuepedia:burden of proof|demonstrate]] why it's problematic.
Line 33: Line 26:
  
 
===Bad Argument===
 
===Bad Argument===
'''[https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/1290332692622450688 13:04 @WilliamShatner]''' comes down in support of the [[cis is a slur]] myth: "You are talking about yourself. When you use those descriptors towards someone else especially strangers you are more than likely doing it to express a negative comment or to single them out."
+
'''[https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/1290332692622450688 13:04 @WilliamShatner]''' comes down in support of the [[cis is a slur]] myth: {{q/inline|You are talking about yourself. When you use those descriptors towards someone else especially strangers you are more than likely doing it to express a negative comment or to single them out.}}
  
 
Ok... so if I'm willing to use a term to describe myself, then I probably mean it negatively if I'm using it to describe someone else.
 
Ok... so if I'm willing to use a term to describe myself, then I probably mean it negatively if I'm using it to describe someone else.

Revision as of 21:39, 9 August 2020

8/3 (Monday)

Wokeness is the enemy now?

06:04 @wendycockcroft
EefOl5DXkAA1TU-.png

I think the argument here is that because "woke" people aren't willing to throw trans people under the bus by agreeing with... whatever it is that gender-critical activists want (more gatekeeping around transition?), they're endangering (cis) women because more cis men will pretend to be women in order to get into women's spaces and perve on them.

This never actually happens, though... except the occasional "conservative" trying (and failing) to prove how terrible it would be if that did happen.

Misrepresentation

03:41 @ripx4nutmeg Some gender identity campaigners, including a former Lib Dem councillor, are saying they will not fill out the UK quarantine form to stop the spread of coronavirus when they return from their foreign holiday, as the form is 'transphobic'

  • None of the tweets shown said this, nor do any others in the thread (which was not linked).
  • Other tweets in the discussion indicate strong support for pandemic safety measures.
  • It is in fact transnegation to require an answer to a question about gender in this context, especially if there are no nonbinary options.

This misrepresentation has the effect of making trans people & allies look unreasonable.

A reshare with the comment This is nuts was followed by a self-reply blaming Queer Theory:

06:49 @wendycockcroft This is why: Queer theory, the bastard spawn of Postmodernism, thinks normality itself *is* oppression. It won't accept normality and views anything or anyone who is normal, including LGBT persons, as oppressors. It's why they bash transsexuals., with a screenshot excerpted from "Queer Theory" on New Discourses

Nobody is saying it's not ok to be "normal"; we're just saying "don't bludgeon us with it" -- because the ambiguity of the term is often used as a way to condemn behavior that makes them uncomfortable without having to demonstrate why it's problematic.

This kind of ambiguity in general is like red meat for right-wingers; they love to be able to get bad ideas across without actually saying them directly. (See: dogwhistle)

So basically she tosses in a bit of support for trans people as sugar-coating for an attack on queer theory and covering fire for the idea that people should be "normal".

Bad Argument

13:04 @WilliamShatner comes down in support of the cis is a slur myth: You are talking about yourself. When you use those descriptors towards someone else especially strangers you are more than likely doing it to express a negative comment or to single them out.

Ok... so if I'm willing to use a term to describe myself, then I probably mean it negatively if I'm using it to describe someone else.

Where's Spock when you need him...