Difference between revisions of "Transnegation Roundup/2020/08/03"
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'''[https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/1290226981603143681 06:04 @wendycockcroft]'''<br> | '''[https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/1290226981603143681 06:04 @wendycockcroft]'''<br> | ||
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I ''think'' the argument here is that because "woke" people aren't willing to throw trans people under the bus by agreeing with... whatever it is that gender-critical activists want (more gatekeeping around transition?), they're endangering (cis) women because more cis men will pretend to be women in order to get into women's spaces and perve on them. | I ''think'' the argument here is that because "woke" people aren't willing to throw trans people under the bus by agreeing with... whatever it is that gender-critical activists want (more gatekeeping around transition?), they're endangering (cis) women because more cis men will pretend to be women in order to get into women's spaces and perve on them. | ||
This never actually happens, though... except the occasional "conservative" trying (and failing) to prove how terrible it would be if that ''did'' happen. | This never actually happens, though... except the occasional "conservative" trying (and failing) to prove how terrible it would be if that ''did'' happen. | ||
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'''[https://twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1290191109910482944 03:41 @ripx4nutmeg]''' {{q/inline|Some gender identity campaigners, including a former Lib Dem councillor, are saying they will not fill out the UK quarantine form to stop the spread of coronavirus when they return from their foreign holiday, as the form is 'transphobic'}} | '''[https://twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1290191109910482944 03:41 @ripx4nutmeg]''' {{q/inline|Some gender identity campaigners, including a former Lib Dem councillor, are saying they will not fill out the UK quarantine form to stop the spread of coronavirus when they return from their foreign holiday, as the form is 'transphobic'}} | ||
* None of the tweets shown said this, nor do any others in [https://twitter.com/GoatSarah/status/1289942708694351873 the thread] (which was not linked). | * None of the tweets shown said this, nor do any others in [https://twitter.com/GoatSarah/status/1289942708694351873 the thread] (which was not linked). | ||
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So basically she tosses in a bit of support for trans people as sugar-coating for an attack on {{l/wp|queer theory}} and covering fire for the idea that people should be "normal". | So basically she tosses in a bit of support for trans people as sugar-coating for an attack on {{l/wp|queer theory}} and covering fire for the idea that people should be "normal". | ||
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'''[https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/1290332692622450688 13:04 @WilliamShatner]''' comes down in support of the [[cis is a slur]] myth: {{q/inline|You are talking about yourself. When you use those descriptors towards someone else especially strangers you are more than likely doing it to express a negative comment or to single them out.}} | '''[https://twitter.com/WilliamShatner/status/1290332692622450688 13:04 @WilliamShatner]''' comes down in support of the [[cis is a slur]] myth: {{q/inline|You are talking about yourself. When you use those descriptors towards someone else especially strangers you are more than likely doing it to express a negative comment or to single them out.}} | ||
Revision as of 21:54, 9 August 2020
Transnegation Roundup for Monday, August 3, 2020
"Wokeness" is the enemy now?
I think the argument here is that because "woke" people aren't willing to throw trans people under the bus by agreeing with... whatever it is that gender-critical activists want (more gatekeeping around transition?), they're endangering (cis) women because more cis men will pretend to be women in order to get into women's spaces and perve on them.
This never actually happens, though... except the occasional "conservative" trying (and failing) to prove how terrible it would be if that did happen.
Misrepresentation
03:41 @ripx4nutmeg “Some gender identity campaigners, including a former Lib Dem councillor, are saying they will not fill out the UK quarantine form to stop the spread of coronavirus when they return from their foreign holiday, as the form is 'transphobic'”
- None of the tweets shown said this, nor do any others in the thread (which was not linked).
- Other tweets in the discussion indicate strong support for pandemic safety measures.
- It is in fact transnegation to require an answer to a question about gender in this context, especially if there are no nonbinary options.
This misrepresentation has the effect of making trans people & allies look unreasonable.
A reshare with the comment “This is nuts” was followed by a self-reply blaming Queer Theory:
06:49 @wendycockcroft “This is why: Queer theory, the bastard spawn of Postmodernism, thinks normality itself *is* oppression. It won't accept normality and views anything or anyone who is normal, including LGBT persons, as oppressors. It's why they bash transsexuals.”, with a screenshot excerpted from "Queer Theory" on New Discourses
Nobody is saying it's not ok to be "normal"; we're just saying "don't bludgeon us with it" -- because the ambiguity of the term is often used as a way to condemn behavior that makes them uncomfortable without having to demonstrate why it's problematic.
This kind of ambiguity in general is like red meat for right-wingers; they love to be able to get bad ideas across without actually saying them directly. (See: dogwhistle)
So basically she tosses in a bit of support for trans people as sugar-coating for an attack on queer theory and covering fire for the idea that people should be "normal".
Bad Argument
13:04 @WilliamShatner comes down in support of the cis is a slur myth: “You are talking about yourself. When you use those descriptors towards someone else especially strangers you are more than likely doing it to express a negative comment or to single them out.”
Ok... so if I'm willing to use a term to describe myself, then I probably mean it negatively if I'm using it to describe someone else.
Where's Spock when you need him...
Dammit, Jim.