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* "nor will this mean they will stop their trans activism" -- why would it?
 
* "nor will this mean they will stop their trans activism" -- why would it?
 
* "a trans persons body can be whatever the hell they want" -- yes...
 
* "a trans persons body can be whatever the hell they want" -- yes...
* "the idea that gender non-conformity and homosexuality are signs of being trans" -- no, not really
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* "the idea that gender non-conformity and homosexuality are signs of being trans" -- some gay people and some gender-nonconforming people do eventually realize they are trans, but I've never seen this idea advocated beyond that simple fact
 
* "which trans lobby organizations are also starting to abandon" -- s/"starting to abandon"/"never advocated"
 
* "which trans lobby organizations are also starting to abandon" -- s/"starting to abandon"/"never advocated"
 
* "considered to be fair game in the trans community to use these to convince cis people of the validity of their identity" -- this seems made up, or possibly a distortion
 
* "considered to be fair game in the trans community to use these to convince cis people of the validity of their identity" -- this seems made up, or possibly a distortion

Revision as of 23:49, 26 September 2020

A Gender Policy Wonk Speaks

  • 2020-09-26 09:13 + @GenderMistake I have seen some people on gendercrit twitter be happy that trans lobby organizations have abandonded "born in the wrong body" narratives. while this is undoubtedly good since it significantly weakens the argument for child transition and medical transition in general, [this] is not in and of itself new, nor will this mean they will stop their trans activism. I started interacting with the trans community about 3 years ago, and at that time "born in the wrpng body" was already considered an outdated idea upheld by ignorant cis people. it was actually even considered to be somewhat transphobic, since it implies that trans people hate their bodies and invalidates non-dysphoric transitioners. the more woke pov is that being trans is fundamentally a matter of identity, and a trans persons body can be whatever the hell they want. related to this is the idea that gender non-conformity and homosexuality are signs of being trans, which trans lobby organizations are also starting to abandon. while it is usually considered to be fair game in the trans community to use these to convince cis people of the validity of their identity as the opposite sex (as is the case with most other things that personally benefit transitioners), it is not the narrative endorsed by the most woke, since it invalidates those who do not display these signs, specifically feminine gay trans men and butch trans lesbians. in the trans community, no one cared that I am considerably more masculine than the average woman and very much not gay. in fact this is even considered to be positive, since it is fighting against patriarchal tereotypes of what a woman is supposed to be like (i.e. fem and het). I'd say there is a very good chance that trans lobby organizations will now start pushing these ideas instead, now that their ability to push medical transition has been weakened.

Reality

  • "significantly weakens the argument for child transition and medical transition in general" -- uh, no? Some people (myself included) still feel that way; they just realized that not everyone does.
  • "nor will this mean they will stop their trans activism" -- why would it?
  • "a trans persons body can be whatever the hell they want" -- yes...
  • "the idea that gender non-conformity and homosexuality are signs of being trans" -- some gay people and some gender-nonconforming people do eventually realize they are trans, but I've never seen this idea advocated beyond that simple fact
  • "which trans lobby organizations are also starting to abandon" -- s/"starting to abandon"/"never advocated"
  • "considered to be fair game in the trans community to use these to convince cis people of the validity of their identity" -- this seems made up, or possibly a distortion
  • "I'd say there is a very good chance that trans lobby organizations will now start pushing these ideas instead, now that their ability to push medical transition has been weakened." -- if they start "pushing those ideas", it's just because they're trying to be inclusive, a concept that Gender Criticals don't seem to get.

Also, I think a lot of trans people would agree that "GenderWasAMistake"; we should just leave gender out of public spaces altogether, and share (rather than segregating them based on a social construct).