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* {{show/tweet|sugabelly|1303771196601913344|15:04|Caster Semenya is a man and should compete with men. / The fact that they thought he was a girl at birth, and socialized him as a girl, doesn’t change the fact that he’s actually a man. / He has testes for goodness sake. / He also has no uterus, no ovaries. / No woman has testes.}}
 
* {{show/tweet|sugabelly|1303771196601913344|15:04|Caster Semenya is a man and should compete with men. / The fact that they thought he was a girl at birth, and socialized him as a girl, doesn’t change the fact that he’s actually a man. / He has testes for goodness sake. / He also has no uterus, no ovaries. / No woman has testes.}}
  
This is rather at odds with what other Gender Criticals have said on the matter.
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This is rather at odds with what other Gender Criticals {{l/root|2020/08/27/1|have said on the matter}} -- i.e. basically if you're born with a penis, you're a man, and if there's any ambiguity then it's up to a doctor to "observe" what you are. Maybe you can be male without a penis, but you can't be female without a uterus? And doctors can issue false femininity but not false masculinity?
  
* {{show/tweet|FionneOrlander|1298980230850256901|2020-08-27 09:46|Not decide, observe what their sex is.}}
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Do they consider femalehood to be, like, a special privilege? That would certainly be consistent with some social attitudes I internalized...
* {{show/tweet|FionneOrlander|1298979726980087810|2020-08-27 09:44|No one determines their own sex, anymore then they determine their eye colour.  If someone is born with ambiguous genitalia professionals will be contacted to diagnose the developmental sex difference, they will still either be male or female with a DSD.}}
 
  
 
===further reading===
 
===further reading===
 
* Wikipedia: {{l/wp|Caster Semenya}}
 
* Wikipedia: {{l/wp|Caster Semenya}}
 
* '''2019-05-09''' [https://theconversation.com/ten-ethical-flaws-in-the-caster-semenya-decision-on-intersex-in-sport-116448 Ten ethical flaws in the Caster Semenya decision on intersex in sport]
 
* '''2019-05-09''' [https://theconversation.com/ten-ethical-flaws-in-the-caster-semenya-decision-on-intersex-in-sport-116448 Ten ethical flaws in the Caster Semenya decision on intersex in sport]
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* '''2019-05-02''' [https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/05/02/caster-semenya-ruling-uses-an-unscientific-definition-who-is-female-critics-say/ Caster Semenya ruling uses an unscientific definition of who is female, critics say]
 
* '''2009-09-11''' [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/6170229/Caster-Semenya-is-a-hermaphrodite-tests-show.html Caster Semenya 'is a hermaphrodite', tests show]
 
* '''2009-09-11''' [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/6170229/Caster-Semenya-is-a-hermaphrodite-tests-show.html Caster Semenya 'is a hermaphrodite', tests show]

Revision as of 19:17, 11 September 2020

Birth Genitalia Always Determine Gender

  • 15:04 @sugabelly Caster Semenya is a man and should compete with men. / The fact that they thought he was a girl at birth, and socialized him as a girl, doesn’t change the fact that he’s actually a man. / He has testes for goodness sake. / He also has no uterus, no ovaries. / No woman has testes.

This is rather at odds with what other Gender Criticals have said on the matter -- i.e. basically if you're born with a penis, you're a man, and if there's any ambiguity then it's up to a doctor to "observe" what you are. Maybe you can be male without a penis, but you can't be female without a uterus? And doctors can issue false femininity but not false masculinity?

Do they consider femalehood to be, like, a special privilege? That would certainly be consistent with some social attitudes I internalized...

further reading