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==Claims== | ==Claims== | ||
* The term "liberalism" was stolen by the enemies of liberalism; modern libertarians are the true liberals. ([[/transcription#1|¶1]]) | * The term "liberalism" was stolen by the enemies of liberalism; modern libertarians are the true liberals. ([[/transcription#1|¶1]]) | ||
+ | ** objection: Liberalism was about doing away with centralized control of markets; modern liberals are against that too -- they're just willing to admit that corporate control is just as bad as government control, and that well-designed government regulation can decrease centralization overall. | ||
* Libertarianism (formerly called liberalism) is the philosophy that supports [[small government]] and [[free market]]s. ([[/transcription#1|¶1]]) | * Libertarianism (formerly called liberalism) is the philosophy that supports [[small government]] and [[free market]]s. ([[/transcription#1|¶1]]) | ||
* Libertarianism holds that the function of government is to do a few things that can't be done by individuals associating voluntarily in private markets: ([[/transcription#2|¶2]]) | * Libertarianism holds that the function of government is to do a few things that can't be done by individuals associating voluntarily in private markets: ([[/transcription#2|¶2]]) | ||
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** national defense | ** national defense | ||
* [[Anti-governmentism/private is better|Where the same thing can be done either by government or privately, private is usually better.]] ([[/transcription#3|¶3]] [[/transcription#16|¶16]] [[/transcription#21|¶23]] [[/transcription#30|¶30]]) | * [[Anti-governmentism/private is better|Where the same thing can be done either by government or privately, private is usually better.]] ([[/transcription#3|¶3]] [[/transcription#16|¶16]] [[/transcription#21|¶23]] [[/transcription#30|¶30]]) | ||
+ | ** Private markets produce better products than socialist systems do -- "we expect markets to produce better cars than socialist systems". | ||
+ | *** Objection: it's not clear what definition of "{{l/ip|socialism}}" he's using here. | ||
+ | **** Europe (especially Sweden) is often called "socialist", but they produce pretty good cars. | ||
** objection: This ignores the fact that there are some things government does better and private organizations do worse. While it may be that the REA/AA scheme will in fact do better than government, we can't assume that this will be so just because "private is better". | ** objection: This ignores the fact that there are some things government does better and private organizations do worse. While it may be that the REA/AA scheme will in fact do better than government, we can't assume that this will be so just because "private is better". | ||
*** response: For the most part, Friedman does support his conclusions with reasoning. | *** response: For the most part, Friedman does support his conclusions with reasoning. | ||
**** objection: It just needs to be understood that this reasoning is necessary. We can't just ''assume'' that the private organizations will do better than government because they are private organizations. | **** objection: It just needs to be understood that this reasoning is necessary. We can't just ''assume'' that the private organizations will do better than government because they are private organizations. | ||
− | * ( | + | * (DF's main argument) The basic functions of government can be handled privately: |
** '''police''' (enforcing laws) | ** '''police''' (enforcing laws) | ||
*** individuals hire private firms (rights enforcement agencies - REAs) to protect their rights and settle their disputes with other individual | *** individuals hire private firms (rights enforcement agencies - REAs) to protect their rights and settle their disputes with other individual | ||
**** objection (DF[[/transcription#6|¶6]]): conflict between REAs | **** objection (DF[[/transcription#6|¶6]]): conflict between REAs | ||
***** objection detail (DF[[/transcription#7|¶7]]): REAs will use violence to settle their disputes | ***** objection detail (DF[[/transcription#7|¶7]]): REAs will use violence to settle their disputes | ||
− | + | ****** response (DF[[/transcription#8|¶8]]): violence is expensive -- REAs are not likely to use it to settle conflicts because in the long term it's a losing proposition with uneven results | |
− | + | ******* objection (W): What if an REA is unreasonable? | |
− | ***** response (DF[[/transcription#9|¶9]]): REAs will hire arbitration agencies (AAs) to settle their disputes with other REAs | + | ***** response (DF[[/transcription#9|¶9]][[/transcription#13|¶13]]): REAs will hire arbitration agencies (AAs) to settle their disputes with other REAs |
** '''courts''' (making laws) - handled by arbitration agencies (AAs) | ** '''courts''' (making laws) - handled by arbitration agencies (AAs) | ||
*** objection (DF[[/transcription#11|¶11]]): who will enforce the use of AAs and adherence to their decisions? | *** objection (DF[[/transcription#11|¶11]]): who will enforce the use of AAs and adherence to their decisions? | ||
− | **** response: the [[discipline of constant dealings]] | + | **** response (DF[[/transcription#11|¶11]]): the [[discipline of constant dealings]] |
− | ***** objection (W): ...which requires a highly stable, non-transient society | + | ***** objection (W): ...which requires a highly stable, non-transient society -- which we don't have now, and which there is no reason to expect would be delivered by this system |
*** objection (DF[[/transcription#17|¶17]],W): What if two REAs can't agree on an arbiter? (e.g. what if one REA's customers prefer a death penalty, while another REA's customers are opposed?) | *** objection (DF[[/transcription#17|¶17]],W): What if two REAs can't agree on an arbiter? (e.g. what if one REA's customers prefer a death penalty, while another REA's customers are opposed?) | ||
**** response (DF[[/transcription#18|¶18]]): an argument that has something to do with raising prices in response to demand and/or buying the acquiescence of the other and/or its customers. This doesn't really answer the question. | **** response (DF[[/transcription#18|¶18]]): an argument that has something to do with raising prices in response to demand and/or buying the acquiescence of the other and/or its customers. This doesn't really answer the question. | ||
− | ** <s>national defense</s> (not covered) | + | ***** objection (W): To the extent that the argument is relevant, however, it seems to depend on everyone having similar amounts of money -- otherwise a view can prevail because of the holder's wealth rather than the degree of their conviction that they are right. |
− | * | + | ** <s>national defense</s> (not covered; conceded that privatizing this is an easier problem to solve) |
− | ** any rules | + | * objection (DF([[/transcription#13|¶13]]): Under this system, different sets of people/entities will operate under different sets of rules. Isn't that unfair? |
− | ** rules will be more closely tailored to the needs of the people ruled by them ([[/transcription#20|¶20]]) | + | ** response (DF([[/transcription#13|¶13]])): Actually it's an improvement, because: |
− | + | *** we already live under a system where rules vary (by state, munucipality, etc). ([[/transcription#13|¶13]]) | |
− | + | *** any rules needed for any given interaction can be worked out non-coercively via this method ([[/transcription#15|¶15]]) | |
− | + | *** rules will be more closely tailored to the needs of the people ruled by them -- people will only get the rules they want ([[/transcription#20|¶20]]) | |
− | |||
==Pages== | ==Pages== | ||
* [[/transcription]]: a complete transcription of the lecture in the video | * [[/transcription]]: a complete transcription of the lecture in the video | ||
==Links== | ==Links== | ||
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o The Machinery Of Freedom: Illustrated summary]: the video | * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTYkdEU_B4o The Machinery Of Freedom: Illustrated summary]: the video |
Revision as of 17:49, 23 December 2014
Claims
- The term "liberalism" was stolen by the enemies of liberalism; modern libertarians are the true liberals. (¶1)
- objection: Liberalism was about doing away with centralized control of markets; modern liberals are against that too -- they're just willing to admit that corporate control is just as bad as government control, and that well-designed government regulation can decrease centralization overall.
- Libertarianism (formerly called liberalism) is the philosophy that supports small government and free markets. (¶1)
- Libertarianism holds that the function of government is to do a few things that can't be done by individuals associating voluntarily in private markets: (¶2)
- police
- courts
- national defense
- Where the same thing can be done either by government or privately, private is usually better. (¶3 ¶16 ¶23 ¶30)
- Private markets produce better products than socialist systems do -- "we expect markets to produce better cars than socialist systems".
- Objection: it's not clear what definition of "socialism" he's using here.
- Europe (especially Sweden) is often called "socialist", but they produce pretty good cars.
- Objection: it's not clear what definition of "socialism" he's using here.
- objection: This ignores the fact that there are some things government does better and private organizations do worse. While it may be that the REA/AA scheme will in fact do better than government, we can't assume that this will be so just because "private is better".
- response: For the most part, Friedman does support his conclusions with reasoning.
- objection: It just needs to be understood that this reasoning is necessary. We can't just assume that the private organizations will do better than government because they are private organizations.
- response: For the most part, Friedman does support his conclusions with reasoning.
- Private markets produce better products than socialist systems do -- "we expect markets to produce better cars than socialist systems".
- (DF's main argument) The basic functions of government can be handled privately:
- police (enforcing laws)
- individuals hire private firms (rights enforcement agencies - REAs) to protect their rights and settle their disputes with other individual
- objection (DF¶6): conflict between REAs
- objection detail (DF¶7): REAs will use violence to settle their disputes
- response (DF¶8): violence is expensive -- REAs are not likely to use it to settle conflicts because in the long term it's a losing proposition with uneven results
- objection (W): What if an REA is unreasonable?
- response (DF¶8): violence is expensive -- REAs are not likely to use it to settle conflicts because in the long term it's a losing proposition with uneven results
- response (DF¶9¶13): REAs will hire arbitration agencies (AAs) to settle their disputes with other REAs
- objection detail (DF¶7): REAs will use violence to settle their disputes
- objection (DF¶6): conflict between REAs
- individuals hire private firms (rights enforcement agencies - REAs) to protect their rights and settle their disputes with other individual
- courts (making laws) - handled by arbitration agencies (AAs)
- objection (DF¶11): who will enforce the use of AAs and adherence to their decisions?
- response (DF¶11): the discipline of constant dealings
- objection (W): ...which requires a highly stable, non-transient society -- which we don't have now, and which there is no reason to expect would be delivered by this system
- response (DF¶11): the discipline of constant dealings
- objection (DF¶17,W): What if two REAs can't agree on an arbiter? (e.g. what if one REA's customers prefer a death penalty, while another REA's customers are opposed?)
- response (DF¶18): an argument that has something to do with raising prices in response to demand and/or buying the acquiescence of the other and/or its customers. This doesn't really answer the question.
- objection (W): To the extent that the argument is relevant, however, it seems to depend on everyone having similar amounts of money -- otherwise a view can prevail because of the holder's wealth rather than the degree of their conviction that they are right.
- response (DF¶18): an argument that has something to do with raising prices in response to demand and/or buying the acquiescence of the other and/or its customers. This doesn't really answer the question.
- objection (DF¶11): who will enforce the use of AAs and adherence to their decisions?
national defense(not covered; conceded that privatizing this is an easier problem to solve)
- police (enforcing laws)
- objection (DF(¶13): Under this system, different sets of people/entities will operate under different sets of rules. Isn't that unfair?
- response (DF(¶13)): Actually it's an improvement, because:
- we already live under a system where rules vary (by state, munucipality, etc). (¶13)
- any rules needed for any given interaction can be worked out non-coercively via this method (¶15)
- rules will be more closely tailored to the needs of the people ruled by them -- people will only get the rules they want (¶20)
- response (DF(¶13)): Actually it's an improvement, because:
Pages
- /transcription: a complete transcription of the lecture in the video