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==The Myth==
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[[category:government]]
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{{hdr/myth|Government is inherently violent.}}
 
[[File:15 - 1.jpg|thumb|Freedom is slavery, war is peace, ignorance is strength, and government is violence.]]
 
[[File:15 - 1.jpg|thumb|Freedom is slavery, war is peace, ignorance is strength, and government is violence.]]
The argument seems to be that government must constantly do bad things in order to govern, therefore government is inherently evil.
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==Myth==
==The Reality==
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===Example===
Government is not ''inherently'' violent, however, unless you count the coercive restraint of abusers (a key function of any society) as violence.
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"Government is founded upon the initiation of violence." – Tim Rieker, [https://plus.google.com/u/0/113630203692968581887/posts/1KcVx82qdZs comment on Google+]
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==Reality==
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Government is not ''inherently'' violent, however – unless you count the coercive restraint of abusers (a necessary function of any society) as violence. In this area, selective government-initiated "violence" (constraint) is necessary in order to prevent more widespread violence.
  
While many governments are the proximate cause of much violence, most governments prevent more violence than they cause. A good government would go to great lengths to avoid initiating violence – but it is an acknowledged truth that unequivocally "good" governments are a bit like utopias: we can imagine them, but they are probably not possible.
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No alternative to government could possibly avoid this kind of violence, since refraining from constraining abusers would allow the abusers to commit their own violence – so this criticism cannot be used to argue against the need for government.
  
It is also important to note that no system proposed as an alternative to government could possibly avoid this kind of violence, as refraining from coercing abusers would allow the abusers to commit their own violence.
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The only logically possible way in which an accusation of violence would be a valid argument against the idea of government, or even against any particular form of government, is to offer a system which is demonstrably less violent in actual practice (rather than just in theory).
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==Nugget==
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This myth comes very close to being a [[reality inversion]], and only escapes due to two facts:
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* indeed, government often must engage in some violence while constraining abusers
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* most if not all governments engage in far more violence than is actually necessary.
  
The only logically possible way in which an accusation of violence would be a valid argument against the idea of government, or even against any particular form of government, is to offer a system which is demonstrably less violent in actual practice (rather than just in theory).
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Even so, most governments still prevent more violence than they cause, and eliminating government would only increase the overall level of violence. The only way to decrease violence overall is to improve government.
 
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* {{issuepedia|Anti-governmentism/definitionally violent}}
 
* {{issuepedia|Anti-governmentism/definitionally violent}}

Latest revision as of 22:35, 11 June 2015

Myth: Government is inherently violent.
Freedom is slavery, war is peace, ignorance is strength, and government is violence.

Myth

Example

"Government is founded upon the initiation of violence." – Tim Rieker, comment on Google+

Reality

Government is not inherently violent, however – unless you count the coercive restraint of abusers (a necessary function of any society) as violence. In this area, selective government-initiated "violence" (constraint) is necessary in order to prevent more widespread violence.

No alternative to government could possibly avoid this kind of violence, since refraining from constraining abusers would allow the abusers to commit their own violence – so this criticism cannot be used to argue against the need for government.

The only logically possible way in which an accusation of violence would be a valid argument against the idea of government, or even against any particular form of government, is to offer a system which is demonstrably less violent in actual practice (rather than just in theory).

Nugget

This myth comes very close to being a reality inversion, and only escapes due to two facts:

  • indeed, government often must engage in some violence while constraining abusers
  • most if not all governments engage in far more violence than is actually necessary.

Even so, most governments still prevent more violence than they cause, and eliminating government would only increase the overall level of violence. The only way to decrease violence overall is to improve government.

Links

Reference