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		<title>Woozle: Created page with &quot;''Originally posted to [https://toot.cat/@woozle/109048013618258781 TootCat] in slightly shorter form, and then reposted to [https://nextdoor.com/p/fbSYdGm-P5F8?view=detail Ne...&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Originally posted to [https://toot.cat/@woozle/109048013618258781 TootCat] in slightly shorter form, and then reposted to [https://nextdoor.com/p/fbSYdGm-P5F8?view=detail Ne...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;''Originally posted to [https://toot.cat/@woozle/109048013618258781 TootCat] in slightly shorter form, and then reposted to [https://nextdoor.com/p/fbSYdGm-P5F8?view=detail Nextdoor] in [https://nextdoor.com/g/0t0hnaudh/ Fact-Based Ethical Politics]''&lt;br /&gt;
=economic-political philosophical question=&lt;br /&gt;
Why is it considered acceptable for a lender to claim the property of a debtor in payment when that property was never pledged as part of the loan agreement?&lt;br /&gt;
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In other words, why should the state exclusively help the *lender* in dealing with their bad decision?&lt;br /&gt;
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If it's going to help anybody in that kind of situation, why doesn't it help both parties -- why help one at the expense of the other? ...especially since the one they're helping obviously needs it less.&lt;br /&gt;
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(This is largely a rhetorical question, but I think it helps show some of the unspoken attitudes in our current system, and I don't think I've seen it asked anywhere before.)&lt;br /&gt;
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(...and yes, I have loaned people money, and gotten it back, more than once. I didn't need the state to intervene for me, either. The one time I did ask the state to intervene, with people who had incrementally borrowed a *lot* of money over many months, it couldn't help -- because the people in question had no money and no apparent assets to seize. Knowing what I know now, I probably wouldn't have done that, and... although I have no love lost for the people in question, they are one more reason there should be universal income.)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Woozle</name></author>
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