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<p>Created page with &quot;==About== &#039;&#039;This is a crosspost of a [https://nextdoor.com/p/qgM4_tWgGr5b?view=detail Nextdoor post] by Jane B.&#039;&#039; ==Post== &lt;poem&gt; Mixed ticket. Interesting idea for 2024. Bide...&quot;</p> <p><b>New page</b></p><div>==About==<br /> ''This is a crosspost of a [https://nextdoor.com/p/qgM4_tWgGr5b?view=detail Nextdoor post] by Jane B.''<br /> ==Post==<br /> &lt;poem&gt;<br /> Mixed ticket. Interesting idea for 2024.<br /> Biden/Cheney<br /> Biden/Murkowski<br /> Harris/Romney<br /> Abrams/Cheney<br /> Klobuchar/Cheney<br /> <br /> What would gains/losses be? I like the idea but am afraid progressives would lose more than they'd gain. <br /> <br /> Conversation about Israel offers food for thought -- but that's a parliamentary system. <br /> <br /> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/opinion/democratic-ticket-liz-cheney-2024.html<br /> &lt;/poem&gt;<br /> ==Comments==<br /> I responded:<br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;<br /> Friedman is not the most reliable of prognosticators, though at least he doesn't seem to be overtly denialist. Bear in mind that he wrote a book, &quot;The World Is Flat&quot;, about how great globalization is, right before the big crash of 2007-8 (which was made worse by globalization)... and of course the pandemic has further illustrated the problems with global supply-chaining I guess I'd view him as being &quot;sensible center-right&quot;, but not someone who is particularly perceptive or wise.<br /> <br /> More relevantly: Although part of me finds the idea of partnering with sensible GOP pols to be an appealing one, I think it's important not to forget the anti-progressive values that Cheney, Murkowski, and Romney all stand for.<br /> <br /> I guess it's a question of balance -- how do we weight the gains and losses:<br /> - GAIN: standing up for the democratic process and the importance of certain truths<br /> - LOSS: allowing more regressive attitudes back under the Dem tent, downgrading the importance of many other truths<br /> <br /> Friedman suggests that maybe C/M/R could be persuaded to adopt more Dem-friendly positions -- but even if so, would they still be viewed as GOP/&quot;conservative&quot;? Would they lose the base we're hoping to gain by partnering with them?<br /> <br /> Overall, I think we need to be pushing harder for progressive ideals, rather than trying to compromise with regressive ones which ultimately are themselves based on disinformation.<br /> <br /> In my estimation, Bernie had a better chance of winning against Trump in 2016 than Hillary did, and it was a foolish gamble to inject Biden into the 2020 race (one which fortunately worked out) -- and I see public sentiment generally shifting away from the authoritarian ideals represented by (even the best of) the GOP.<br /> <br /> We've seen too much of where they lead; we're living in a sneak preview of the dystopia they would create.<br /> &lt;/blockquote&gt;</div>

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