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==Birth Genitalia Always Determine Gender==
* {{show/tweet|sugabelly|1303771196601913344|15:04|Caster Semenya is a man and should compete with men. / The fact that they thought he was a girl at birth, and socialized him as a girl, doesn’t change the fact that he’s actually a man. / He has testes for goodness sake. / He also has no uterus, no ovaries. / No woman has testes.}}

This is rather at odds with what other Gender Criticals have said on the matter.

* {{show/tweet|FionneOrlander|1298980230850256901|2020-08-27 09:46|Not decide, observe what their sex is.}}
* {{show/tweet|FionneOrlander|1298979726980087810|2020-08-27 09:44|No one determines their own sex, anymore then they determine their eye colour. If someone is born with ambiguous genitalia professionals will be contacted to diagnose the developmental sex difference, they will still either be male or female with a DSD.}}

===further reading===
* Wikipedia: {{l/wp|Caster Semenya}}
* '''2019-05-09''' [https://theconversation.com/ten-ethical-flaws-in-the-caster-semenya-decision-on-intersex-in-sport-116448 Ten ethical flaws in the Caster Semenya decision on intersex in sport]
* '''2009-09-11''' [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/6170229/Caster-Semenya-is-a-hermaphrodite-tests-show.html Caster Semenya 'is a hermaphrodite', tests show]

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 This is rather at odds with what other Gender Criticals {{l/root|2020/08/27/1|have said on the matter}} -- i.e. basically if you're born with a penis, you're a man, and if there's any ambiguity then it's up to a doctor to "observe" what you are. Maybe you can be male without a penis, but you can't be female without a uterus? And doctors can issue false femininity but not false masculinity?
-This is someone who was ''assigned female at birth'', and whose sex is only being called into question because of scientific tests (testosterone levels and presumably some kind of internal scan), at least one of which was performed without consent.
+This is someone who was ''assigned female at birth''<ref name=note1 />, and whose sex is only being called into question because of scientific tests (testosterone levels and presumably some kind of internal scan), at least one of which was performed without consent.
 So the rule is "if there's any doubt, then you're a man"? Apparently some people will listen to the science only where it goes along with this principle.
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 * '''2019-05-01''' [https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/caster-semenya-being-forced-alter-her-body-make-slower-runners-ncna1000896 Caster Semenya is being forced to alter her body to make slower runners feel secure in their womanhood]
 * '''2009-09-11''' [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/6170229/Caster-Semenya-is-a-hermaphrodite-tests-show.html Caster Semenya 'is a hermaphrodite', tests show]

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-==Birth Genitalia Always Determine Gender==
+==Argument ab Testiculo==
 * {{show/tweet|sugabelly|1303771196601913344|15:04|Caster Semenya is a man and should compete with men. / The fact that they thought he was a girl at birth, and socialized him as a girl, doesn’t change the fact that he’s actually a man. / He has testes for goodness sake. / He also has no uterus, no ovaries. / No woman has testes.}}
 This is rather at odds with what other Gender Criticals {{l/root|2020/08/27/1|have said on the matter}} -- i.e. basically if you're born with a penis, you're a man, and if there's any ambiguity then it's up to a doctor to "observe" what you are. Maybe you can be male without a penis, but you can't be female without a uterus? And doctors can issue false femininity but not false masculinity?
-Do they consider femalehood to be, like, a special privilege? That would certainly be consistent with some social attitudes I internalized...
+This is someone who was ''assigned female at birth'', and whose sex is only being called into question because of scientific tests (testosterone levels and presumably some kind of internal scan), at least one of which was performed without consent.
 ===further reading===
 * Wikipedia: {{l/wp|Caster Semenya}}
 * '''2019-05-09''' [https://theconversation.com/ten-ethical-flaws-in-the-caster-semenya-decision-on-intersex-in-sport-116448 Ten ethical flaws in the Caster Semenya decision on intersex in sport]
 * '''2019-05-02''' [https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/05/02/caster-semenya-ruling-uses-an-unscientific-definition-who-is-female-critics-say/ Caster Semenya ruling uses an unscientific definition of who is female, critics say]
 * '''2009-09-11''' [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/athletics/6170229/Caster-Semenya-is-a-hermaphrodite-tests-show.html Caster Semenya 'is a hermaphrodite', tests show]