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Transnegation Round-up for Thursday, August 6, 2020

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==8/6==
* https://mailchi.mp/07a776ff6fc8/legal-action-speakers-corner-and-schools-action ([https://web.archive.org/web/20200806211201/https://mailchi.mp/07a776ff6fc8/legal-action-speakers-corner-and-schools-action archive.org]) - argues that the Scottish government is trying to "redefine 'woman'", and that they have no authority to do so.
** note the absence of any link to the legislation being criticized
** https://twitter.com/Yvonne_1967_/status/1291308213728694273
* https://twitter.com/ClaraenSc/status/1291437888354365440 "They are all for expanding woman to embrace really feminine males while celebrating how many females want to escape from it. Of course, it makes perfect sense. Either you think of man/woman as the words to describe the human sexes or you colapse those into masc/fem." Who is this they?
* https://twitter.com/ClaraenSc/status/1291440416638803968 - no, this is totally untrue

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 * Note the absence of any link to the legislation being criticized, so we can see what it's really about. {{flag/red|sourceless interpretation}}
 * She says "the very essence of what a ‘woman’ is" &ndash; but declines to explain what that is ({{flag/red|semantic chameleon}}) or how the legislation is redefining it ({{flag/red|sourceless interpretation}}), so we can evaluate her argument for ourselves. This keeps happening.
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	==forwomen.scot newsletter==		==forwomen.scot newsletter==
	[https://mailchi.mp/07a776ff6fc8/legal-action-speakers-corner-and-schools-action Legal action, Speakers' Corner and Schools action] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20200806211201/https://mailchi.mp/07a776ff6fc8/legal-action-speakers-corner-and-schools-action archive.org]) ([https://twitter.com/Yvonne_1967_/status/1291308213728694273 via])		[https://mailchi.mp/07a776ff6fc8/legal-action-speakers-corner-and-schools-action Legal action, Speakers' Corner and Schools action] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20200806211201/https://mailchi.mp/07a776ff6fc8/legal-action-speakers-corner-and-schools-action archive.org]) ([https://twitter.com/Yvonne_1967_/status/1291308213728694273 via])

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-==8/6==
+=Transnegation Round-up for Thursday, August 6, 2020=
-===forwomen.scot newsletter==
+==forwomen.scot newsletter==
 [https://mailchi.mp/07a776ff6fc8/legal-action-speakers-corner-and-schools-action Legal action, Speakers' Corner and Schools action] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20200806211201/https://mailchi.mp/07a776ff6fc8/legal-action-speakers-corner-and-schools-action archive.org]) ([https://twitter.com/Yvonne_1967_/status/1291308213728694273 via])
 This one is a cesspit...
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 The [https://forwomen.scot/31/07/2020/news-release-pre-action-letter/ embedded letter] argues that the Scottish government is trying to "redefine 'woman'", and that they have no authority to do so.
 {{box/quote|Speaking for For Women Scotland, Marion Calder said: “It beggars belief that the Scottish Government has introduced new legislation that contravenes the very essence of what a ‘woman’ is in law. This is just the introduction of self-identification of sex by the back door.”|'''2020-07-31 [https://forwomen.scot/31/07/2020/news-release-pre-action-letter/ News Release – Pre-Action Letter]}}
-* Yes, self-identification of sex is what we want, for reasons we've explained extensively.
+* I'm not sure this is an accurate representation of what we're asking for. Mainly, we want some aspects of gatekeeping to be reduced or eliminated.
-** The evidence supports the idea that this does less harm than forcing trans people to go through extensive gatekeeping.
+** The evidence supports the idea that this does less harm than forcing trans people to go through the levels of gatekeeping that presently exist.
-** The only counterpoints the faux "women's rights" advocates have offered is a few examples of violent crime being committed by trans women, not any statistics about rates of violence by trans women vs. cis women and cis men. It's also unclear whether the violent trans women had ''already'' been through the gatekeeping process, meaning that (as with many forms of punishment favored by the right) it's pretty much useless at accomplishing the stated goal.
+** The only counterpoints the faux "women's rights" advocates have offered is a few examples of violent crime being committed by trans women, not any statistics about rates of violence by trans women vs. cis women and cis men or studies on the likely effects of easing the gatekeeping restrictions.
 * Note the absence of any link to the legislation being criticized, so we can see what it's really about. {{flag/red|sourceless interpretation}}
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 {{box/quote|I am autistic, and I want to talk about the transitioning of children as the latest eugenics attack on our community.|'''2020-08-02'''(?), unnamed speaker at [[issuepedia:UK/London/Hyde Park/Speakers' Corner|Speakers' Corner]]}}
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 They're right about Autism Speaks being problematic, however. They're also correct in observing the high overlap between autism and gender dysphoria -- which they paint, unambiguously, as evil transition clinics selecting out autistic kids for sterilization. {{flag/red|hatemongery}} {{flag/red|demonization}}
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 {{box/quote|It has been over a year since the Scottish Government [https://news.gov.scot/speeches-and-briefings/statement-on-gender-recognition announced] that the transgender guidance in schools, produced by LGBT Youth, was to be replaced. We think it's disgraceful that this was not done by the promised date of Dec 2019, and it is unacceptable that the schools will returning next week with many still using guidance which the government acknowledges is not legal and risks excluding girls.|forwomen.scot}}
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 I don't really have time to dig into this properly, but at first glance it ''seems'' like the Scottish government agreed to update its Gender Recognition laws so as to better keep up with international progress, while still recognizing the need for women to be safe -- and forwomen.scot is praising this and asking why it is taking so long.
-That doesn't ''seem'' like a bad thing.
+That doesn't ''seem'' like a bad thing. I've been fooled before...
 ...but I could probably spend a whole day trying to map this out. For now, I don't have time.
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+==Nonexistent People Are Denying My Existence==
 {{show/tweet|Alliewhowrites|1291432777355874304|13:55|Gah! I’m a woman - crew cut, lifelong lesbian. I could easily declare that what I am, and have always been, is something other, but that would be handing patriarchy the victory. Nah. I’m a woman. Expand your idea of what a woman is until it fits me too. Cos that’s what I am.}}

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 ==8/6==
-* https://mailchi.mp/07a776ff6fc8/legal-action-speakers-corner-and-schools-action ([https://web.archive.org/web/20200806211201/https://mailchi.mp/07a776ff6fc8/legal-action-speakers-corner-and-schools-action archive.org]) - argues that the Scottish government is trying to "redefine 'woman'", and that they have no authority to do so.
+===forwomen.scot newsletter==
-** note the absence of any link to the legislation being criticized
+[https://mailchi.mp/07a776ff6fc8/legal-action-speakers-corner-and-schools-action Legal action, Speakers' Corner and Schools action] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20200806211201/https://mailchi.mp/07a776ff6fc8/legal-action-speakers-corner-and-schools-action archive.org]) ([https://twitter.com/Yvonne_1967_/status/1291308213728694273 via])
-** https://twitter.com/Yvonne_1967_/status/1291308213728694273
-* https://twitter.com/ClaraenSc/status/1291437888354365440 "They are all for expanding woman to embrace really feminine males while celebrating how many females want to escape from it. Of course, it makes perfect sense. Either you think of man/woman as the words to describe the human sexes or you colapse those into masc/fem." Who is this they?
+This one is a cesspit...
-* https://twitter.com/ClaraenSc/status/1291440416638803968 - no, this is totally untrue