Transnegation Roundup/2020/08/05 - Revision history

Woozle: /* Transnegation Round-up for Wednesday, August 5, 2020 */

2020-10-10T00:46:08Z

Transnegation Round-up for Wednesday, August 5, 2020

Woozle at 00:33, 12 August 2020

2020-08-12T00:33:24Z

Woozle: /* Trans Women Aren't Women, redux */

2020-08-11T23:03:44Z

Trans Women Aren't Women, redux

Woozle at 22:02, 11 August 2020

2020-08-11T22:02:27Z

Woozle: Created page with "==8/5== * https://twitter.com/DykeRojas/status/1291202607512518656 * https://twitter.com/Femflam1/status/1291164003683663875 * https://twitter.com/MistresSinestra/status/12912..."

2020-08-10T23:55:55Z

Created page with "==8/5== * https://twitter.com/DykeRojas/status/1291202607512518656 * https://twitter.com/Femflam1/status/1291164003683663875 * https://twitter.com/MistresSinestra/status/12912..."

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==8/5==
* https://twitter.com/DykeRojas/status/1291202607512518656
* https://twitter.com/Femflam1/status/1291164003683663875
* https://twitter.com/MistresSinestra/status/1291213042303336448 - critical retweet of TERF propaganda
** https://twitter.com/Femflam1/status/1290984988956135425 - original (author joined Twitter in June, 2020)
* https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/1291046872648495104
* '''2020-08-05 16:57''' https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/1291116251025149953
** implicitly equates "trans women" with "men" yet again
** see especially the thread to which the boost is responding
{{box/quote|It's fair for women–any women, of any journey–to complain about men coming into women's spaces to be pervy. It would also be fair to complain about women coming into women's spaces to be pervy. There are spaces where pervy is allowed or encouraged, and those are where that's appropriate regardless. Putting that onto transwomen is not fair or right, and while she didn't explicitly do that, it's absolutely what she was implying.|a (cis) woman friend (quoted with permission)}}
{{box/quote|I agree that they are less hostile about men in their space than about trans women. Because they have this bizarre brain disconnect from reality that tells them that it isn't fair this person gets into the space without having to have grown up being treated as a woman in our society. Instead of realizing that if anything, these women have given up that shade of privilege to be who they are inside.

And that it can't possibly have been easier to have lived with that battle inside.

They are angry because they think trans women haven't had the hurt they have. Which makes them fucking self centered martyr assholes.

Sorry, very few things piss me off more than minorities who punch down.|another cis woman friend (quoted with permission)}}

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	==SRS is apparently cosmetic==		==SRS is apparently cosmetic==
	{{show/tweet\|pinktaxed\|1291110215816032257\|16:33\|just had the misfortune of seeing someone (a TW) raise $35k for a vaginoplasty. someone donated $5k. of all the bullshit happening in the world right now and you need $35,000 for a faux vagina. okay.}}		{{show/tweet\|pinktaxed\|1291110215816032257\|16:33\|just had the misfortune of seeing someone (a TW) raise $35k for a vaginoplasty. someone donated $5k. of all the bullshit happening in the world right now and you need $35,000 for a faux vagina. okay.}}

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-==8/5==
+=Transnegation Round-up for Wednesday, August 5, 2020=
-===SRS is apparently cosmetic===
+==SRS is apparently cosmetic==
 {{show/tweet|pinktaxed|1291110215816032257|16:33|just had the misfortune of seeing someone (a TW) raise $35k for a vaginoplasty. someone donated $5k. of all the bullshit happening in the world right now and you need $35,000  for a faux vagina. okay.}}
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 This is apparently the tweet to which they are reacting:
 * {{show/tweet|TheAuntifa|1291053137940434944|12:47|You guys Shia LaBeouf is officially part of the story of my pussy and yes it’s for real 😭😭😭 / WHAT A MENSCH}}
-===Those Scary, Scary Men===
+==Those Scary, Scary Men==
 {{show/tweet|Femflam1|1291164003683663875|20:07|We can’t fight stupid. Seriously- these guys are basing all their ideas about trans women on this fluffy idealistic notion of some shy translady just trying to live their life- like the beardy beast with a baseball bat in a “kill terfs” bloody T-shirt is the exception}} {{flag/red|Demonization}}
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 How is this not just naked hatred of trans people?
-===AstroTERF===
+==AstroTERF==
 {{show/tweet|Femflam1|1290984988956135425|08:16|A young, sweet, mildly woke colleague told me today that JK is a TERF. It took a 3 minute chat for her to realise that she was not, that TERF is a slur and you are not an evil transphobe just for acknowledging biology. Real life is the best place to talk to people}}
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 I'm feeling more and more like @Femflam1 is a troll account. She only joined in June, and her anti-trans is ''wayy'' over the top.
-===Trans Women Aren't Women, redux===
+==Trans Women Aren't Women, redux==
-{{show/tweet|wendycockcroft|1291008236469051394|09:48|Sorry, I thought everyone knew. It stands for "transwomen are women." / They're not, they're male. The fighting is about what happens when you treat intact male people as actual women. Tl:dr; it's messy.}}
+{{show/tweet|wendycockcroft|1291008236469051394|09:48|Sorry, I thought everyone knew. It stands for "transwomen are women." / They're not, they're male. The fighting is about what happens when you treat intact male people as actual women. Tl:dr; it's messy.}} This repeats the {{l/myth|Trans women are men|"trans women are men" myth}}. {{flag/red|disinformation}}
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 In any case, this is a huge {{flag/red|misrepresentation}}. Trans rights (and LGBT rights in general) actually ''help'' women, while this kind of [[issuepedia:Performative leftism|pseudo-progressivism]] only hurts women's rights as far as I can tell. It makes enemies out of allies.
-And dammit, I ''tried'' to talk with her, but she was dismissive and dishonest and when it becomes plain that someone is not participating in {{l/ip|good faith}}, you have to end the discussion.
+And dammit, I ''tried'' to talk with her, but she was dismissive and dishonest and when it becomes plain that someone is not participating in {{l/ip|good faith}}, it's time to end the discussion.
 {{show/tweet|wendycockcroft|1291116251025149953|16:57|This is why we fight. I will not accept a free-for-all where men can perve on us at will and we're called bigots when we complain.}}

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 ==8/5==
-* https://twitter.com/DykeRojas/status/1291202607512518656
+===SRS is apparently cosmetic===
-* https://twitter.com/Femflam1/status/1291164003683663875
+{{show/tweet|pinktaxed|1291110215816032257|16:33|just had the misfortune of seeing someone (a TW) raise $35k for a vaginoplasty. someone donated $5k. of all the bullshit happening in the world right now and you need $35,000  for a faux vagina. okay.}}
-* https://twitter.com/MistresSinestra/status/1291213042303336448 - critical retweet of TERF propaganda
-** https://twitter.com/Femflam1/status/1290984988956135425 - original (author joined Twitter in June, 2020)
+Self-reply:
-* https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/1291046872648495104
+* {{show/tweet|pinktaxed|1291110504186945537|16:35|the capital of lebanon was just blown to hell and women and children are in dire need and someone gave away $5,000 for a fake vag. right then.}} {{flag/red|Appeal to worse problems}}
-* '''2020-08-05 16:57''' https://twitter.com/wendycockcroft/status/1291116251025149953
-** implicitly equates "trans women" with "men" yet again
+Retweeted (tweet and account now deleted):
-** see especially the thread to which the boost is responding
+* '''[https://web.archive.org/web/20200807024138/https://twitter.com/DykeRojas/status/1291202607512518656 19:41 @DykeRojas (archived)]''' {{q/inline|AAARRGGGHHH . Calm down Anna. Yes I agree.}}
 {{box/quote|It's fair for women&ndash;any women, of any journey&ndash;to complain about men coming into women's spaces to be pervy. It would also be fair to complain about women coming into women's spaces to be pervy. There are spaces where pervy is allowed or encouraged, and those are where that's appropriate regardless. Putting that onto transwomen is not fair or right, and while she didn't explicitly do that, it's absolutely what she was implying.|a (cis) woman friend (quoted with permission)}}
 {{box/quote|I agree that they are less hostile about men in their space than about trans women. Because they have this bizarre brain disconnect from reality that tells them that it isn't fair this person gets into the space without having to have grown up being treated as a woman in our society. Instead of realizing that if anything, these women have given up that shade of privilege to be who they are inside.
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 They are angry because they think trans women haven't had the hurt they have. Which makes them fucking self centered martyr assholes.
-Sorry, very few things piss me off more than minorities who punch down.|another cis woman friend (quoted with permission)}}
+Sorry, very few things piss me off more than minorities who punch down.|a (cis) woman friend in CA (quoted with permission)}}