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		<id>https://cwre.org/w/index.php?title=Myths/there_are_no_sustainable_energy_sources/impact&amp;diff=916&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Woozle: Woozle moved page Myths/There are no sustainable energy sources/impact to Myths/there are no sustainable energy sources/impact without leaving a redirect: consistency with other myth names</title>
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		<updated>2015-07-01T23:02:36Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Woozle moved page &lt;a href=&quot;/w/index.php?title=Myths/There_are_no_sustainable_energy_sources/impact&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1&quot; class=&quot;new&quot; title=&quot;Myths/There are no sustainable energy sources/impact (page does not exist)&quot;&gt;Myths/There are no sustainable energy sources/impact&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;/w/Myths/there_are_no_sustainable_energy_sources/impact&quot; title=&quot;Myths/there are no sustainable energy sources/impact&quot;&gt;Myths/there are no sustainable energy sources/impact&lt;/a&gt; without leaving a redirect: consistency with other myth names&lt;/p&gt;
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		<author><name>Woozle</name></author>
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		<title>Woozle at 23:01, 1 July 2015</title>
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot; &gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;&amp;lt;hide&amp;gt;&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;==Myth==&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;{{subpage}}&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;The &amp;quot;impact&amp;quot; argument against sustainable energy points out that it has environmental impacts and isn't perfectly &amp;quot;clean&amp;quot;. (Note: this claim should probably be reclassified as [[irrelevancies|irrelevant]].)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;&amp;lt;/hide&amp;gt;&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;Reality&lt;/ins&gt;==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;==&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;About&lt;/del&gt;==&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;This argument is a {{l/ip|straw man}} (nobody is claiming that it is perfectly clean), a mis-&lt;/ins&gt;[[&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;issuepedia:interpretive framing|framing&lt;/ins&gt;]] &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;of the issue as being about &amp;quot;cleanness&amp;quot; rather than {{l/ip|sustainability}}, and {{l/ip|moving the goalposts}} to infinity (there &lt;/ins&gt;is &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;no human activity that is ''perfectly'' clean, that &lt;/ins&gt;has &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;''no'' environmental &lt;/ins&gt;impacts; &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;we will ''always'&lt;/ins&gt;' &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;need to &lt;/ins&gt;clean &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;up after ourselves)&lt;/ins&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;[[&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;Sustainable energy&lt;/del&gt;]] is &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;sometimes derided because it still &lt;/del&gt;has &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;/del&gt;impacts&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;/del&gt;; &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;it isn&lt;/del&gt;'&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;t perfectly &amp;quot;&lt;/del&gt;clean&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;&lt;/del&gt;.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;This argument is a [[straw man]] (nobody is claiming that it is perfectly clean), a mis-[[interpretive framing|framing]] of the issue as being about &amp;quot;cleanness&amp;quot; rather than [[sustainability]], and [[moving the goalposts]] to infinity (there &lt;/del&gt;is &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;no human activity that is ''perfectly&lt;/del&gt;'' &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;clean, that has &lt;/del&gt;''&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;no'' environmental impacts).&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;It &lt;/ins&gt;is ''&lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;technically&lt;/ins&gt;'' true, of course &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;&amp;amp;ndash; &lt;/ins&gt;any method of energy generation is going to have some impact if multiplied by the energy needs of enough people &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;&amp;amp;ndash; &lt;/ins&gt;but some methods have [[../consumption|far less impact]] than others.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;It is &lt;/del&gt;true &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;on the face of it&lt;/del&gt;, of course &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;-- &lt;/del&gt;any method of energy generation is going to have some impact if multiplied by the energy needs of enough people &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;-- &lt;/del&gt;but some methods have [[../consumption|far less impact]] than others.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;==Links==&lt;/del&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Woozle</name></author>
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		<title>Woozle: 1 revision</title>
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		<updated>2015-07-01T22:27:05Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;1 revision&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title>Woozle: Created page with &quot;&lt;hide&gt; {{subpage}} &lt;/hide&gt; ==About== Sustainable energy is sometimes derided because it still has &quot;impacts&quot;; it isn't perfectly &quot;clean&quot;.  This argument is a straw man ...&quot;</title>
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		<updated>2014-05-03T23:01:50Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;&amp;lt;hide&amp;gt; {{subpage}} &amp;lt;/hide&amp;gt; ==About== &lt;a href=&quot;/w/index.php?title=Sustainable_energy&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1&quot; class=&quot;new&quot; title=&quot;Sustainable energy (page does not exist)&quot;&gt;Sustainable energy&lt;/a&gt; is sometimes derided because it still has &amp;quot;impacts&amp;quot;; it isn&amp;#039;t perfectly &amp;quot;clean&amp;quot;.  This argument is a &lt;a href=&quot;/w/index.php?title=Straw_man&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1&quot; class=&quot;new&quot; title=&quot;Straw man (page does not exist)&quot;&gt;straw man&lt;/a&gt; ...&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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==About==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Sustainable energy]] is sometimes derided because it still has &amp;quot;impacts&amp;quot;; it isn't perfectly &amp;quot;clean&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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This argument is a [[straw man]] (nobody is claiming that it is perfectly clean), a mis-[[interpretive framing|framing]] of the issue as being about &amp;quot;cleanness&amp;quot; rather than [[sustainability]], and [[moving the goalposts]] to infinity (there is no human activity that is ''perfectly'' clean, that has ''no'' environmental impacts).&lt;br /&gt;
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It is true on the face of it, of course -- any method of energy generation is going to have some impact if multiplied by the energy needs of enough people -- but some methods have [[../consumption|far less impact]] than others.&lt;br /&gt;
==Links==&lt;br /&gt;
{{links/smw}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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