Myths/liberal policies will ruin California - Revision history

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2020-05-02T14:34:39Z

Nugget of Truth

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2020-05-02T14:31:19Z

Woozle: Jerry Brown and polluters

2015-06-08T11:50:51Z

Jerry Brown and polluters

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2015-05-31T23:39:38Z

status update

Woozle at 20:56, 23 May 2015

2015-05-23T20:56:15Z

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2015-05-23T19:39:38Z

further explanation of status

Woozle: Created page with "{{hdr/myth|Liberal policies will ruin California.}} {{page/status/seed}} ==The Myth== Even though myths/liberal policies ruined California|liberal policies have worked well..."

2015-05-23T19:28:05Z

Created page with "{{hdr/myth|Liberal policies will ruin California.}} {{page/status/seed}} ==The Myth== Even though myths/liberal policies ruined California|liberal policies have worked well..."

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{{hdr/myth|Liberal policies will ruin California.}}
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==The Myth==
Even though [[myths/liberal policies ruined California|liberal policies have worked well in California]], right-wingers are convinced that those policies will eventually ruin it.
===Examples===
Citing the "World of Hurt" article below, J. Michael Krivyanski said<ref name=gplus1 />:
<blockquote>
You people defending California crack me up. For many years California had the largest economy in the country. It was the 9th largest economy in the world. Now? North Dakota, Colorado and Texas all have larger economies. It's not a good trend and many expect it will get worse. Does anyone in that state understand economics? Unions aren't an issue since the makes up less than 5 percent of the workforce. Why is the current trend for businesses to leave California or not go there in the first place? Your governor is...to say the least...not business friendly. Your state government is very corrupt, you have high taxes and stifling regulations. You pay too much for social programs you can't afford. Wages are artificially high. And the best anyone can do is act like spoiled children and say "Well let them go I don't want them here anyway." Year to year the California economy gets worse. It's a trend that is not going to change any time soon.Texas is happy to take all the businesses that leave California and has really benefited from it.
</blockquote>

* '''2013-03-23''' [http://www.newgeography.com/content/003584-california-a-world-hurt California is in for a World of Hurt]: "Demographic trends themselves are creating a crisis brought about by a population that is simultaneously losing its children and getting older, and to a frightening extent poorer."
** Although this link was used as evidence against liberal policies, it actually does not provide any criticism at all (direct or implicit) of those policies.
** To the extent that it is ''seen'' as a criticism of liberal economics, the logic seems to be based on the myth that {{l/myth|helping people makes them dependent}}.

==References==
<references>
<ref name=gplus1>
2015-05-23 comment on [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/ZFwHktYriqz this post]
</ref>
</references>

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 If anything is likely to ruin California, it's Jerry Brown being all too willing to [https://plus.google.com/u/0/+PamelaZuppo/posts/1qabkCbnymF help polluters get past environmental rules].
 ==Nugget of Truth==
-California's liberal policies have made it one of a handful of states, all liberal-leaning, which have been net suppliers of federal funds &ndash; most of which are then sent to rural states, which tend to be "conservative", in order to aid with the greater expenses involved in maintaining infrastructure in a rural environment.<ref name=dkos20200425 />
+California's liberal policies have made it one of a handful of states, all liberal-leaning, which have been net suppliers of federal funds &ndash; most of which are then sent to rural states, which tend to be "conservative", in order to aid with the greater expenses involved in maintaining infrastructure in a rural environment.<ref name=dkos20200425 /> One could certainly argue that California would be in better shape if it were less liberal about allowing that money to be taken by the federal government. The fact that it is able to continue supplying those funds, however, suggests strongly that it cannot be reasonably accused of being "ruined".
 ===References===
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 If anything is likely to ruin California, it's Jerry Brown being all too willing to [https://plus.google.com/u/0/+PamelaZuppo/posts/1qabkCbnymF help polluters get past environmental rules].
 ===References===
 <references>
 <ref name=gplus1>
-'''2015-05-23''' J. Michael Krivyanski's comment on [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/ZFwHktYriqz this post] (JMK)
+'''2015-05-23''' J. Michael Krivyanski's comment on <s>[https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/ZFwHktYriqz this post]</s> (JMK) (In theory I have the post archived, but I don't yet know if comments are included. -W.)
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 * Although this link was used<ref name=gplus1 /> as evidence against liberal policies, it actually does not provide any criticism at all (direct or implicit) of those policies.
 * To the extent that it is ''seen'' as a criticism of liberal economics, the logic seems to be based on the myth that {{l/myth|helping people makes them dependent}}.
 ===References===
 <references>

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 {{hdr/myth|Liberal policies will ruin California.}}
-{{page/status/seed|There needs to be a "Reality" section explaining why the claim is a myth.}}
+{{page/status/seedling|The counterarguments could use some more shoring up.}}
 ==The Myth==
 Even though [[myths/liberal policies ruined California|liberal policies have worked well in California]], right-wingers are still convinced that those policies will eventually ruin it.

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 {{page/status/seed|There needs to be a "Reality" section explaining why the claim is a myth.}}
 ==The Myth==
-Even though [[myths/liberal policies ruined California|liberal policies have worked well in California]], right-wingers are convinced that those policies will eventually ruin it.
+Even though [[myths/liberal policies ruined California|liberal policies have worked well in California]], right-wingers are still convinced that those policies will eventually ruin it.
 ===Examples===
-Citing the "World of Hurt" article below, J. Michael Krivyanski said<ref name=gplus1 />:
+* "You people defending California crack me up.  For many years California had the largest economy in the country.  It was the 9th largest economy in the world.  Now?  North Dakota, Colorado and Texas all have larger economies.  It's not a good trend and many expect it will get worse.  Does anyone in that state understand economics?  Unions aren't an issue since the makes up less than 5 percent of the workforce.  Why is the current trend for businesses to leave California or not go there in the first place?  Your governor is...to say the least...not business friendly.  Your state government is very corrupt, you have high taxes and stifling regulations.  You pay too much for social programs you can't afford.  Wages are artificially high.  And the best anyone can do is act like spoiled children and say "Well let them go I don't want them here anyway."  Year to year the California economy gets worse.  It's a trend that is not going to change any time soon.Texas is happy to take all the businesses that leave California and has really benefited from it."<ref name=gplus1 />
 * '''2013-03-23''' [http://www.newgeography.com/content/003584-california-a-world-hurt California is in for a World of Hurt]: "Demographic trends themselves are creating a crisis brought about by a population that is simultaneously losing its children and getting older, and to a frightening extent poorer."
-** Although this link was used as evidence against liberal policies, it actually does not provide any criticism at all (direct or implicit) of those policies.
+==Reality==
-** To the extent that it is ''seen'' as a criticism of liberal economics, the logic seems to be based on the myth that {{l/myth|helping people makes them dependent}}.
+All of the accusations made by JMK<ref name=gplus1 /> apply just as easily to accusations that {{l/same|liberal policies ruined California}}, which is a myth.
-==References==
+Re "California is in for a World of Hurt":
 <references>
 <ref name=gplus1>
--05-23 comment on [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/ZFwHktYriqz this post]
+'''2015-05-23''' J. Michael Krivyanski's comment on [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/ZFwHktYriqz this post] (JMK)
 </ref>
 </references>