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 The economic problems in California which surfaced during that crisis can largely be traced to right-wing tax cuts for the rich, especially those embedded in Proposition 13. These cuts led to budget shortages, which led to service cuts, which inevitably had negative impacts on the economy.
-For some reason, right-wingnuts don't seem to understand that a healthy economy requires a healthy government. California is just one more example of right-wingers cutting taxes and then blaming liberals for spending too much.
+For some reason, right-wingnuts don't seem to understand that a healthy economy requires a healthy government. California is just one more example of right-wingers cutting taxes and then blaming liberals for spending too much (aka the "Two Santa-Clauses" tactic).
 ===Details===
 To the extent that California has problems with its economy, right-wing [[Republican]]-backed policies have surely been the primary culprits &ndash; most notably a state initiative called [[wikipedia:California Proposition 13 (1978)|Proposition 13]] which, among other things:

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 * '''2016-07-02''' [http://www.salon.com/2016/07/02/watch_bill_maher_rubs_californias_success_in_the_face_of_republicans/ WATCH: Bill Maher rubs California’s success in the face of Republicans] ([https://plus.google.com/u/0/116815317762449907490/posts/Jm8BoS5sy9u via])
 * '''2013-07-11''' [http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2013/07/california-poised-to-regain-eighth-8-rank-in-global-economy.html California poised to regain No. 8 ranking in global economy]
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 * '''2016-07-02''' [http://www.salon.com/2016/07/02/watch_bill_maher_rubs_californias_success_in_the_face_of_republicans/ WATCH: Bill Maher rubs California’s success in the face of Republicans] ([https://plus.google.com/u/0/116815317762449907490/posts/Jm8BoS5sy9u via])
 * '''2013-07-11''' [http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2013/07/california-poised-to-regain-eighth-8-rank-in-global-economy.html California poised to regain No. 8 ranking in global economy]

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 * '''2013-07-11''' [http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2013/07/california-poised-to-regain-eighth-8-rank-in-global-economy.html California poised to regain No. 8 ranking in global economy]
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 * "You people defending California crack me up.  For many years California had the largest economy in the country.  It was the 9th largest economy in the world.  Now?  North Dakota, Colorado and Texas all have larger economies.  It's not a good trend and many expect it will get worse.  Does anyone in that state understand economics?  Unions aren't an issue since the makes up less than 5 percent of the workforce.  Why is the current trend for businesses to leave California or not go there in the first place?  Your governor is...to say the least...not business friendly.  Your state government is very corrupt, you have high taxes and stifling regulations.  You pay too much for social programs you can't afford.  Wages are artificially high.  And the best anyone can do is act like spoiled children and say "Well let them go I don't want them here anyway."  Year to year the California economy gets worse.  It's a trend that is not going to change any time soon.Texas is happy to take all the businesses that leave California and has really benefited from it." <ref name=gplus1 />
 ==Reality==
-California had an economic crisis along with the rest of the world during the {{l/ip|2008 worldwide recession}}, and recovered as the US economy in general did. As of 2013 or earlier, it was once again the largest economy in the US<ref name=wpedia>Wikipedia: {{l/wp|Economy of California}}</ref>; as of mid-2016, its economy was growing faster than that of any ''country''.<ref name=bloomberg>'''2016-06-06''' Bloomberg: [http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-06/california-makes-america-s-economy-great California Makes America's Economy Great] "The high taxes and ubiquitous regulation critics cite when assailing Golden State government are proving no impediment to business and investment. They may even be a benefit, as public policy and people's preferences converge."</ref>
+California had an economic crisis along with the rest of the world during the {{l/ip|2008 worldwide recession}}, and recovered as the US economy in general did. As of 2013 or earlier, it was once again the largest economy in the US<ref name=wpedia>Wikipedia: {{l/wp|Economy of California}}</ref>; as of mid-2016, its economy was growing faster than that of any ''country''.<ref name=bloomberg>'''2016-06-06''' Bloomberg: [http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-06/california-makes-america-s-economy-great California Makes America's Economy Great] ([https://plus.google.com/u/0/+JoshMarks78/posts/bsjyCeArpwq via]) "The high taxes and ubiquitous regulation critics cite when assailing Golden State government are proving no impediment to business and investment. They may even be a benefit, as public policy and people's preferences converge."</ref>
 The economic problems in California which surfaced during that crisis can largely be traced to right-wing tax cuts for the rich, especially those embedded in Proposition 13. These cuts led to budget shortages, which led to service cuts, which inevitably had negative impacts on the economy.

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 * "You people defending California crack me up.  For many years California had the largest economy in the country.  It was the 9th largest economy in the world.  Now?  North Dakota, Colorado and Texas all have larger economies.  It's not a good trend and many expect it will get worse.  Does anyone in that state understand economics?  Unions aren't an issue since the makes up less than 5 percent of the workforce.  Why is the current trend for businesses to leave California or not go there in the first place?  Your governor is...to say the least...not business friendly.  Your state government is very corrupt, you have high taxes and stifling regulations.  You pay too much for social programs you can't afford.  Wages are artificially high.  And the best anyone can do is act like spoiled children and say "Well let them go I don't want them here anyway."  Year to year the California economy gets worse.  It's a trend that is not going to change any time soon.Texas is happy to take all the businesses that leave California and has really benefited from it." <ref name=gplus1 />
 ==Reality==
-California had an economic crisis along with the rest of the world during the {{l/ip|2008 worldwide recession}}, and recovered as the US economy in general did. As of 2013 or earlier, it was once again the largest economy in the US<ref name=wpedia>Wikipedia: {{l/wp|Economy of California}}</ref>.
+California had an economic crisis along with the rest of the world during the {{l/ip|2008 worldwide recession}}, and recovered as the US economy in general did. As of 2013 or earlier, it was once again the largest economy in the US<ref name=wpedia>Wikipedia: {{l/wp|Economy of California}}</ref>; as of mid-2016, its economy was growing faster than that of any ''country''.<ref name=bloomberg>'''2016-06-06'' Bloomberg: [http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-06-06/california-makes-america-s-economy-great California Makes America's Economy Great]</ref>
 The economic problems in California which surfaced during that crisis can largely be traced to right-wing tax cuts for the rich, especially those embedded in Proposition 13. These cuts led to budget shortages, which led to service cuts, which inevitably had negative impacts on the economy.
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 ** the prison system
 * has a chilling effect on new home sales, because new home buyers effectively subsidize public services for corporations and the landed gentry<ref name=anet />
 ==Related==
 Undefeated by being wrong so far, right-wingers continue to claim that {{l/myth|liberal policies will ruin California}}.

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 ===Details===
 To the extent that California has problems with its economy, right-wing [[Republican]]-backed policies have surely been the primary culprits &ndash; most notably a state initiative called [[wikipedia:California Proposition 13 (1978)|Proposition 13]] which, among other things:
-* creates a perverse incentive to hoard rental and retail property<ref name=anet />, thus driving up rents, thus creating barriers for young families &ndash; thus leading to "youth drain" as young families move out of California and couples decide not to have kids.
+* creates a perverse incentive to hoard rental and retail property<ref name=anet />, thus driving up housing costs<ref name=cnbc />, thus creating barriers for young families &ndash; thus leading to "youth drain" as young families move out of California and couples decide not to have kids.
 * decimates tax revenue received by the state, leading to (who could have guessed?) budget problems, which in turn lead to economic problems<ref name=anet /> as essential services were cut were cut to make ends meet<ref name=tdig />, including:
 ** infrastructure
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 '''2015-05-23''' J. Michael Krivyanski's comment on [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/ZFwHktYriqz this post]

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 {{hdr/myth|Liberal policies ruined California's economy.}}
-{{page/status/seedling|It needs more specific claims that liberal policies were responsible for economic downturn in CA. For instance, bigphil303 implies that free education is something that will cause the government to "eventually run out of money"; this should be explicitly noted in the "Myth" section. Also, a fact-check on "releasing violent offenders to save money" would be good, as well as a note that this would be the result of right-wing "austerity" policies if true.}}
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 ==The Myth==
 ===Examples===
 * "I believe you are mistaken about Cali [being the world's 8th largest economy]. Cali is in severe financial trouble. In fact they are releasing violent offenders from prison to save money. Not sure where you are getting your facts from but everything i read states that Cali was doing really well in the late 90's but now they are really struggling." <ref name=bigphil303>bigphil303, comment on [https://plus.google.com/u/0/113630203692968581887/posts/fB24cf4TfiR Google+]</ref>
 ==Reality==
 California had an economic crisis along with the rest of the world during the {{l/ip|2008 worldwide recession}}, and recovered as the US economy in general did. As of 2013 or earlier, it was once again the largest economy in the US<ref name=wpedia>Wikipedia: {{l/wp|Economy of California}}</ref>.
 ==Related==
 Undefeated by being wrong so far, right-wingers continue to claim that {{l/myth|liberal policies will ruin California}}.
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 * '''2013-07-11''' [http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2013/07/california-poised-to-regain-eighth-8-rank-in-global-economy.html California poised to regain No. 8 ranking in global economy]
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