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Woozle: 18 myths debunked

2015-12-13T19:53:09Z

18 myths debunked

Woozle: image: a kid throws a rock

2015-07-19T15:28:23Z

image: a kid throws a rock

Woozle: back-link to new myth page

2015-06-15T00:11:43Z

back-link to new myth page

Woozle: data/source availability

2015-05-31T02:38:03Z

data/source availability

Woozle: more stuff

2015-05-31T02:32:36Z

more stuff

Woozle: some organization and clarification

2015-04-05T19:34:00Z

some organization and clarification

Woozle: saving notes

2015-03-26T01:37:35Z

saving notes

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==Notes==
Lots of potential material in [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/HS7r93jZrrK this post]:
* Loaded questions:
** '''Q:''' If you think a “no guns” sign is sufficient, why do we have metal detectors at airports?
*** '''A:''' It's sufficient in a public park, where someone with a gun could only kill dozens of people; used to take over an airplane, a gun could potentially kill thousands (as in 9/11). (This is so obvious it shouldn't have to be explained.)
** '''Q:''' You think if you don’t see a gun on a person, he doesn’t have one?
*** '''A:''' No. The ability to have someone removed if a gun is spotted acts as a deterrent.
** '''Q:''' "If I walk in one door with a gun on my hip, walk through the room, and out the opposite door, how did that harm you?"
*** '''A:''' This is equivalent to asking "If I do something dangerous but it comes out okay, then who have I harmed?". It should be obvious that this is not a responsible question.
* Bogus arguments:
** "{{l/sub|when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns}}" variations:
*** "Putting up a sign at a park can only ever stop law-abiding people from bringing their guns into the park." (This is the argument again.)
*** "...the people we really don't want to have guns in those areas are the same people who would ignore the ban. "
*** Even just reducing the number of law-abiding citizens carrying guns would be a good thing, as this would reduce the number of accidental gun deaths.
*** Anti-gun sentiment is just bigotry - "your statement sounds dangerously close to the same kind of wording you see republicans using when talking about gays."
**** Wrong; guns are actually harmful.

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	** Anti-gun sentiment is just bigotry - "your statement sounds dangerously close to the same kind of wording you see republicans using when talking about gays."		** Anti-gun sentiment is just bigotry - "your statement sounds dangerously close to the same kind of wording you see republicans using when talking about gays."
	*** (The implied equivalence is incorrect; guns are actually harmful.)		*** (The implied equivalence is incorrect; guns are actually harmful.)
		+	==Reality==
		+	* '''2013-04-07''' [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/walker-bragman/gun-myths_b_2585941.html Debunking 18 Pro-Gun Myths]

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 * '''2014-04-04''' [http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/04/gun-control-advocates-who-say-more-guns-equal-more-crime-might-not-want-to-read-this/ Here’s What Happened to Crime in Chicago After Illinois Finally Passed Concealed Carry Law]
 ** The article linked to as a source for the claim about reduced crime is no longer there, but may be available on [https://web.archive.org/web/20150416015710/http://abc7chicago.com/archive/9487263 the Wayback Machine]. [http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=chicago+murder+rate+by+year Wolfram-Alpha] only goes up to 2009.
+[[File:A kid throws a rock.jpg|thumb|It takes a good kid with a rock to stop a bad kid with a rock.]]
 Lots of potential material in [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/HS7r93jZrrK this post]:
 * Loaded questions:

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 ==Source Posts==
 '''2015-05-30''' [https://plus.google.com/u/0/+BreakingNews/posts/aKCccwc8bkS Texas Senate green-lights campus carry] - much gun-nuttery

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 '''2015-05-30''' [https://plus.google.com/u/0/+BreakingNews/posts/aKCccwc8bkS Texas Senate green-lights campus carry] - much gun-nuttery
 * '''2014-04-04''' [http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/04/gun-control-advocates-who-say-more-guns-equal-more-crime-might-not-want-to-read-this/ Here’s What Happened to Crime in Chicago After Illinois Finally Passed Concealed Carry Law]
 Lots of potential material in [https://plus.google.com/u/0/102282887764745350285/posts/HS7r93jZrrK this post]:

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 * Bogus arguments:
 ** "{{l/sub|when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns}}" variations:
-*** "Putting up a sign at a park can only ever stop law-abiding people from bringing their guns into the park." (This is the  argument again.)
+*** "Putting up a sign at a park can only ever stop law-abiding people from bringing their guns into the park."
 *** "...the people we really don't want to have guns in those areas are the same people who would ignore the ban. "
-*** Even just reducing the number of law-abiding citizens carrying guns would be a good thing, as this would reduce the number of accidental gun deaths.
+**** (Even just reducing the number of law-abiding citizens carrying guns would be a good thing, as this would reduce the number of accidental gun deaths.)
-*** Anti-gun sentiment is just bigotry - "your statement sounds dangerously close to the same kind of wording you see republicans using when talking about gays."
+** Anti-gun sentiment is just bigotry - "your statement sounds dangerously close to the same kind of wording you see republicans using when talking about gays."
-**** Wrong; guns are actually harmful.
+*** (The implied equivalence is incorrect; guns are actually harmful.)